I might add that a parallel could be drawn on how we as Americans view ourselves as opposed to how the rest of the world currently views us. This current world view being no doubt due in large part to our nation’s continued acquiescence to the rule of his high and exalted majesty the imperial obamination.
QVsaid:
My part of the world see 0bama and America as War Mongers, Murderers, Plunderers serving and worshipping their god, Satan, along with 90% of America’s population — including the church!
Carpentersaid:
QV,
I agree but these are most certainly EXCITING times!
The Anti-Christ is most assuredly here, walking the Earth and working behind the scenes. Biblical Prophecy is unfolding before our eyes. The damned have chosen their side and the saved the other. We might even see the Scrolls unravel and the 4 Horseman (not to be confused with the 4 whores on the view) ride to the earth.
The question of the Rapture will soon be known. The confusions regarding Millennialism whether it be Pre-Millennialism, Post-Millennialism, Preterism, ect… will soon be solved. Christian and Jewish Eschatological viewpoints will be condensed into one final TRUTH in our lifetimes.
These are very EXCITING times! They are also uncertain and depressing times.
The MAD Jewesssaid:
Carpenter, yes. It is exciting because we will see so many GREAT and also terrible things, I agree.
Those who KNOW God will carry out GREAT exploits, absolutely.
Carpentersaid:
Ok now I’m not a Fred Phelps kind of guy, he’s that preacher at Westboro Church (GodHatesFags dot com) but these young ladies do have a point! I just don’t agree with the WAY they do what they do
The MAD Jewesssaid:
Well, there are some things that crazy church is right about.
The MAD Jewesssaid:
They hate everyone and anyone, though.
If they hate Obama, thats FINE by me.
QVsaid:
carpenter, I do not subscribe to the rapture.
Carpentersaid:
I think the question should be
How Does The GOD See Obama?
And if Obama is indeed just a pawn on the Chess Board of Destiny who was PREDESTINED to play this part prior to the Rise of the Anti-Christ, then what?
Can we do anything about Obama or is this all meant to happen the way it is happening?
Here is a good summary of how I see thee Obama and current events in the Middle East. I didn’t write the post I just agree with the author.
“Congress does not do its job. The supreme court avoids the issue of eligibility…”
“We the real American dislike Obama because first of all he is not an American citizen, second he is trying to destroy the United States of America with his Communist Agenda, Obama is a traitor to the USA because he is funding the Muslim Brotherhood and giving them guns to kill our troops”
How we see Obama. Hmm. Here’s the thing of it.
When this nation was created, We The People were not expected to elect the president. It wasn’t our job. Matter of fact, we were to elect the state politicians and they handled the rest. We The People went back to running our own lives after sending people to the state capitols and they, in turn, handled the rest of the ongoing.
This insured the federal government was always beholding to the several states, and it insured that more politically savvy people sent to Washington those people who would guard the constitution.
Think about it. Warp the way things were intended to be by having the citizenry elect the president. Now, have that same government control the education system. Not only that, but allow the powerful elites who control the government also manipulate society through the entertainment system. Who is it that really controls the nation?
Those who are pulling the strings answer to a higher power, too. Their master is neither loving or forgiving.
The MAD Jewesssaid:
Yeah, about the rapture, just where is it in the Bible? I dont mean disrespect, but where is it??
Carpentersaid:
MJ,
About the Rapture.
The first one ‘raptured’ was Enoch who walked with God.
Then Elijah was taken up (raptured) to heaven in a flaming chariot.
And in Revelations
“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up (raptured) unto God and to His throne,” (Revelation 12:5 KJV)
Now when it comes to the ‘Pre-Tribulation Rapture’ of mankind there are too many diferent interpetations of scriptures to make a quick generalization.
I have never really focused on Eschatology or Dispensationalism. I find Reformed Theology and GRACE much more interesting and valuable.
The MAD Jewesssaid:
Well, some people are under some belief that they are going to be taken out of here.
Bada boom, bada bing.
Enoch:
Genesis Chapter 5 בְּרֵאשִׁית
כד וַיִּתְהַלֵּךְ חֲנוֹךְ, אֶת-הָאֱלֹהִים; וְאֵינֶנּוּ, כִּי-לָקַח אֹתוֹ אֱלֹהִים. {ס} 24
And Enoch walked with God, and he was not; for God took him.
Enoch is not modern day Christianity. Modern day Christians (not you, Carpenter) do NOT ‘walk with God’, they hate his Jewishness.
Especially here in USA. EU as well.
Now, in the N.T., John the B says:
‘He said therefore to the multitudes that went out to be baptized of him, Ye offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?’
So, we should not be afraid of the ‘wrath to come’.
Jesus even says in the NT:
‘And behold, I am with you all the days, until the completion of the age.’
Matthew 28:20
So, clearly, it is in Christianity to PREPARE for very wrathful times, right up to the END of the age.
The MAD Jewesssaid:
Eschatology or Dispensationalism
I guess Im too Jewish, I dont know what all of that is.
I am a Jewish Christian.
So, I dont know what this is.
I will have to read on it.
The only one I read about that I believe is 100% satanic is “replacement theology”
The MAD Jewesssaid:
Hey Carpenter, I gotta go to sleep. If you think there is a Rapture, then so be it. I will not argue these type things. I WISH there was a rapture!! But, I want to prepare for tribulation and this is what I TRY to do.
So, thats up to you.
And NO offense to Sage-Brush, who I really, really love, but I cant pray for Hussein.
Thats like asking Jews to pray for Hitler. NO can do.
I pray for Gods DELIVERANCE from Hussein as all people should, he is EVIL and anti Christ, anti Jew, anti Israel.
EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Carpentersaid:
MJ,
Well thats just it. I don’t.
When I first mentioned “The question of the Rapture” earlier I meant that we are approaching the Rise of the Anti-Christ and there will either be a rapture of believers or there will not be one. In a sense it doesn’t matter to me. I don’t lay awake at night worrying about the ‘Rapture’. GRACE and SAVING faith are far more important.
I never have understood why some Denominations (and politically oriented types) put so much focus on End Times. I don’t see how that can help the unconverted unless you want to SCARE the HELL out of them.
The same goes for all the different confusing Millennialism stuff. Pre-Trib, Post-Trib, No-Tribulation. It will be whatever it will be. Spending all your time worrying about END Times seems like a waste.
“Faith is the assurance of things hoped for.
And why do we hope for them? Because they
are promised by God. So faith is believing the
promise of God for the future.” Dr. John MacArthur
“For by GRACE you have been saved through
FAITH; and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God”
Ephesians 2:8
The MAD Jewesssaid:
Yeah, I dont want to be scaring people away with some hell thing. Jews dont believe in hell anyway.
In the Jewy-Jew opinion, people go to sleep and do not go into paradise, or a heaven on earth. Prepared for believers.
Which is where that expression “Put them out of their misery” comes from.
I AM an end of the worlder, but I have been chicken little since about 4 yrs old. Cant help that.
johnnysaid:
The word rapture causes great controversy. The word rapture is not in the bible. The taking away and escape is. Christians have suffered tribulation since the beginning and Revelations speaks of the multitude of martyred Christians during the latter days Tribulation. However, the Bible states Christians are not destined for Gods wrath that is poured out upon the earth with the bowl judgments towards the end of the Great Tribulation. Revelation 14:14 describes Jesus Christ taking his harvest of the saved. Revelation 14:17-20 describes an angel harvesting the wicked for the winepress of the wrath of God. And there is the last trump in Thessalonians 4:16-17. “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall be raised first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air.” I believe in a pre-wrath return of Jesus to remove His own, but it cannot be written in stone. Neither can the other so called rapture theories. No one knows the day or hour of Christ’s return, not even the angels in heaven–but we will know the season.
The MAD Jewesssaid:
Yeah, but what if we are stuck with it and go through it ALL????
johnnysaid:
Pauli–Few will make it thru the wrath that is poured out during the Day of the Lord. Whoever takes the Mark of the Beast will be eliminated. The pre-trib rapture belief, held by many Christians today, will be sorely tested when the time arrives. We will find out, sooner or later.
The MAD Jewesssaid:
I aint taking the mark.
Its already here, I believe.
Fear God not mansaid:
My high school history teacher summed it up best when he said people hate the Jews because they are God’s people. Check your history all who have come against the Jews are destroyed.
Liberals should check the ads in the paper for eye exams.
I might add that a parallel could be drawn on how we as Americans view ourselves as opposed to how the rest of the world currently views us. This current world view being no doubt due in large part to our nation’s continued acquiescence to the rule of his high and exalted majesty the imperial obamination.
My part of the world see 0bama and America as War Mongers, Murderers, Plunderers serving and worshipping their god, Satan, along with 90% of America’s population — including the church!
QV,
I agree but these are most certainly EXCITING times!
The Anti-Christ is most assuredly here, walking the Earth and working behind the scenes. Biblical Prophecy is unfolding before our eyes. The damned have chosen their side and the saved the other. We might even see the Scrolls unravel and the 4 Horseman (not to be confused with the 4 whores on the view) ride to the earth.
The question of the Rapture will soon be known. The confusions regarding Millennialism whether it be Pre-Millennialism, Post-Millennialism, Preterism, ect… will soon be solved. Christian and Jewish Eschatological viewpoints will be condensed into one final TRUTH in our lifetimes.
These are very EXCITING times! They are also uncertain and depressing times.
Carpenter, yes. It is exciting because we will see so many GREAT and also terrible things, I agree.
Those who KNOW God will carry out GREAT exploits, absolutely.
Ok now I’m not a Fred Phelps kind of guy, he’s that preacher at Westboro Church (GodHatesFags dot com) but these young ladies do have a point! I just don’t agree with the WAY they do what they do
Well, there are some things that crazy church is right about.
They hate everyone and anyone, though.
If they hate Obama, thats FINE by me.
carpenter, I do not subscribe to the rapture.
I think the question should be
How Does The GOD See Obama?
And if Obama is indeed just a pawn on the Chess Board of Destiny who was PREDESTINED to play this part prior to the Rise of the Anti-Christ, then what?
Can we do anything about Obama or is this all meant to happen the way it is happening?
Here is a good summary of how I see thee Obama and current events in the Middle East. I didn’t write the post I just agree with the author.
“Congress does not do its job. The supreme court avoids the issue of eligibility…”
“We the real American dislike Obama because first of all he is not an American citizen, second he is trying to destroy the United States of America with his Communist Agenda, Obama is a traitor to the USA because he is funding the Muslim Brotherhood and giving them guns to kill our troops”
“He is illegal to even be in the Oval office…”
http://patriotaction.net/forum/topics/obama-commits-treason-whaaat-with-the-muslim-brotherhood-whaaat-w
How we see Obama. Hmm. Here’s the thing of it.
When this nation was created, We The People were not expected to elect the president. It wasn’t our job. Matter of fact, we were to elect the state politicians and they handled the rest. We The People went back to running our own lives after sending people to the state capitols and they, in turn, handled the rest of the ongoing.
This insured the federal government was always beholding to the several states, and it insured that more politically savvy people sent to Washington those people who would guard the constitution.
Think about it. Warp the way things were intended to be by having the citizenry elect the president. Now, have that same government control the education system. Not only that, but allow the powerful elites who control the government also manipulate society through the entertainment system. Who is it that really controls the nation?
Those who are pulling the strings answer to a higher power, too. Their master is neither loving or forgiving.
Yeah, about the rapture, just where is it in the Bible? I dont mean disrespect, but where is it??
MJ,
About the Rapture.
The first one ‘raptured’ was Enoch who walked with God.
Then Elijah was taken up (raptured) to heaven in a flaming chariot.
And in Revelations
“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up (raptured) unto God and to His throne,” (Revelation 12:5 KJV)
Now when it comes to the ‘Pre-Tribulation Rapture’ of mankind there are too many diferent interpetations of scriptures to make a quick generalization.
I have never really focused on Eschatology or Dispensationalism. I find Reformed Theology and GRACE much more interesting and valuable.
Well, some people are under some belief that they are going to be taken out of here.
Bada boom, bada bing.
Enoch:
Genesis Chapter 5 בְּרֵאשִׁית
כד וַיִּתְהַלֵּךְ חֲנוֹךְ, אֶת-הָאֱלֹהִים; וְאֵינֶנּוּ, כִּי-לָקַח אֹתוֹ אֱלֹהִים. {ס} 24
And Enoch walked with God, and he was not; for God took him.
Enoch is not modern day Christianity. Modern day Christians (not you, Carpenter) do NOT ‘walk with God’, they hate his Jewishness.
Especially here in USA. EU as well.
Now, in the N.T., John the B says:
‘He said therefore to the multitudes that went out to be baptized of him, Ye offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?’
So, we should not be afraid of the ‘wrath to come’.
Jesus even says in the NT:
‘And behold, I am with you all the days, until the completion of the age.’
Matthew 28:20
So, clearly, it is in Christianity to PREPARE for very wrathful times, right up to the END of the age.
Eschatology or Dispensationalism
I guess Im too Jewish, I dont know what all of that is.
I am a Jewish Christian.
So, I dont know what this is.
I will have to read on it.
The only one I read about that I believe is 100% satanic is “replacement theology”
Hey Carpenter, I gotta go to sleep. If you think there is a Rapture, then so be it. I will not argue these type things. I WISH there was a rapture!! But, I want to prepare for tribulation and this is what I TRY to do.
So, thats up to you.
And NO offense to Sage-Brush, who I really, really love, but I cant pray for Hussein.
Thats like asking Jews to pray for Hitler. NO can do.
I pray for Gods DELIVERANCE from Hussein as all people should, he is EVIL and anti Christ, anti Jew, anti Israel.
EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MJ,
Well thats just it. I don’t.
When I first mentioned “The question of the Rapture” earlier I meant that we are approaching the Rise of the Anti-Christ and there will either be a rapture of believers or there will not be one. In a sense it doesn’t matter to me. I don’t lay awake at night worrying about the ‘Rapture’. GRACE and SAVING faith are far more important.
I never have understood why some Denominations (and politically oriented types) put so much focus on End Times. I don’t see how that can help the unconverted unless you want to SCARE the HELL out of them.
The same goes for all the different confusing Millennialism stuff. Pre-Trib, Post-Trib, No-Tribulation. It will be whatever it will be. Spending all your time worrying about END Times seems like a waste.
“Faith is the assurance of things hoped for.
And why do we hope for them? Because they
are promised by God. So faith is believing the
promise of God for the future.” Dr. John MacArthur
“For by GRACE you have been saved through
FAITH; and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God”
Ephesians 2:8
Yeah, I dont want to be scaring people away with some hell thing. Jews dont believe in hell anyway.
In the Jewy-Jew opinion, people go to sleep and do not go into paradise, or a heaven on earth. Prepared for believers.
Which is where that expression “Put them out of their misery” comes from.
I AM an end of the worlder, but I have been chicken little since about 4 yrs old. Cant help that.
The word rapture causes great controversy. The word rapture is not in the bible. The taking away and escape is. Christians have suffered tribulation since the beginning and Revelations speaks of the multitude of martyred Christians during the latter days Tribulation. However, the Bible states Christians are not destined for Gods wrath that is poured out upon the earth with the bowl judgments towards the end of the Great Tribulation. Revelation 14:14 describes Jesus Christ taking his harvest of the saved. Revelation 14:17-20 describes an angel harvesting the wicked for the winepress of the wrath of God. And there is the last trump in Thessalonians 4:16-17. “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall be raised first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air.” I believe in a pre-wrath return of Jesus to remove His own, but it cannot be written in stone. Neither can the other so called rapture theories. No one knows the day or hour of Christ’s return, not even the angels in heaven–but we will know the season.
Yeah, but what if we are stuck with it and go through it ALL????
Pauli–Few will make it thru the wrath that is poured out during the Day of the Lord. Whoever takes the Mark of the Beast will be eliminated. The pre-trib rapture belief, held by many Christians today, will be sorely tested when the time arrives. We will find out, sooner or later.
I aint taking the mark.
Its already here, I believe.
My high school history teacher summed it up best when he said people hate the Jews because they are God’s people. Check your history all who have come against the Jews are destroyed.